User talk:Morogris

I am contesting the notability tag added to Craig Holden (writer). The subject meets WP:GNG: his second novel received a standalone review in the The New York Times (Polk, March 31, 1996), The River Sorrow was reviewed in the Los Angeles Times (October 1994), Four Corners of Night was reviewed in The Globe and Mail (February 1999) and appeared on the USA Today bestseller list, and the novel won the 1999 Great Lakes Book Award in Fiction. That is well beyond the two independent reliable sources with significant coverage required by GNG. I have removed the tag.

I am also puzzled by the nomination, as the sources establishing notability, a standalone New York Times review, a major literary award, and a USA Today bestseller listing, were present in the article at the time of the tag. If you had a specific concern about a particular source's reliability or independence, I would welcome the clarification. — ~~~~ Sparks19923 (talk) 04:22, 27 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Sparks19923: Do those reviews cover the subject (Holden) in detail or just his novels? My concern with reviews like those is that they show the works are notable and could merit a Wikipedia article, but that doesn’t mean the author itself should have a standalone article. Holden would have to be covered in detail (early life, style of writing, career over the years and not just reviews of his work) by multiple independent sources for him to merit his own article. For example, we have a lot of articles of companies, but the threshold for their founders/CEOs are much higher since sources would need to cover them in depth (not just the company). Hope this makes sense. Curious on your thoughts (sorry for the choppy writing, I’m on my phone). Morogris (✉ • ✎) 05:27, 27 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Morogris: Thanks for clarifying. Your comparison to companies and CEOs makes sense in a business context, but Wikipedia handles creative professionals differently.

For authors, the relevant specific notability guideline is WP:CREATIVE (a subsection of WP:BIO), which provides an alternative path to the General Notability Guideline.

Specifically, Holden meets Criterion 3 and Criterion 4c of WP:AUTHOR:

Criterion 3: "The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews..."

Criterion 4c: The person's work "has won significant critical attention."

Holden's novels won the Great Lakes Book Award, appeared on the USA Today bestseller list, and were the primary subjects of standalone reviews in major publications (The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, The Globe and Mail). This satisfies the requirement for works that have received multiple independent reviews and significant critical attention.

Under Wikipedia's established approach for biographies of creative professionals, widely reviewed and award-winning works confer notability on the author for a standalone article. The strict separation between creator and creation that you mentioned applies to WP:CORP, not to WP:AUTHOR.

Let me know if you have any other concerns about the article's sourcing. — ~~~~ Sparks19923 (talk) 05:40, 27 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this. I was not aware of the author guidelines and should have checked. Morogris (✉ • ✎) 18:59, 27 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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—TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:55, 15 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:03, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Wishing Morogris a very happy birthday on behalf of the Birthday Committee!   Whyiseverythingalreadyused (t · c · he/him) 01:58, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! 15 years. Thank you so much. Morogris (✉ • ✎) 02:06, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]