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Angies moved to draftspace
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Tenio Popmintchev
@GhostInTheMachine Hi, you made a new gallery format, it does not render well at all screens. Since you did the edit, please revert it. When you do it, please remove the 3 blank lines above it. Thanks! Johnwilliamsiii (talk) 22:36, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
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Talk to me
Please talk to me before reverting me twice, as in, tell me what I am missing, or adding too much of; and specifically what parts of the policies you tag, that I do not follow, or went overboard with. Just reverting, is not constructive, especially twice. Thank you, so much! Radlrb33 (talk) 13:56, 13:57; 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Huh? Radlrb33 (talk) 22:04, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- In case there is any doubt, from this edit history & edits of yours: [1][2][3], as you evidently know ~ your first revision you did yourself manually at List of polyhedral stellations, and the second revert of the exact same nature, was done with a
bottool (RW 16.1 edit), of which youonly used once recentlyspecifically used, last time (on the 26th, today, and prior to that, on the 24th). You're evading. Radlrb33 (talk) 22:37, 22:44, 22:45, 23:38, 01:27; 26, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
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Correction of the two issues with the Raymond Torres-Santos article
On December 8 of last year I sent the following to you:
"I would like to add some current information to the article about Puerto Rican-American composer Raymond Torres-Santos. The article has multiple issues, i.e., that it is written like a resume and it is an autobiography.
I am particularly perplexed regarding the resume issue as the article does not in the least seem to be written like a resume and it resembles dozens (hundreds?) of articles on Wikipedia wherein that issue is not indicated.
As for being an autobiography, I do see some edits attributed to Rtorress but the majority of edits are by others. I would like to remove these messages and add some current information. As such, please let me know what changes I can do to remove the messages.
Thank you."
I would like to make updates to the Torres-Santos article AND remove the messages. Please advise.
Many thanks,
Siegfried1876 Siegfried1876 (talk) 06:32, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
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Re your Table sorting edit of 08:12, 28 May 2025
All tables in horse race articles are sorted by latest race results on top. Please revert your edit. Thanks. Xavier Newcombe (talk) 13:35, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
Wrexham
Hi, I see you reverted the inclusion of Wrexham in the category Cities in Wales. As Wrexham gained city status in 2022 and is described as such in the infobox, I'm not quite sure why you changed it? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 19:56, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- The category was already included. Wrexham is also a market town, so that category is valid as well — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 20:58, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
- Ah right, missed that, as you were. Regards Murgatroyd49 (talk) 20:59, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
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Possible Page Name Update – Susan G. Komen for the Cure
I noticed that the organization Susan G. Komen for the Cure has officially changed its name to Susan G. Komen. I thought it might be helpful to review the page title to see if an update is appropriate.
Thanks so much for your time! Phloxyte (talk) 19:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Years of the 14th century in literature

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Video game companies of Holland

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Timothy B. Lee moved to draftspace
Thanks for your contributions to Timothy B. Lee. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing as a live article at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted it to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.
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- Fine by me. I was just adding basics to what I found... — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 11:39, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
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Why merge?
Where did you put the list of calendar projections?
It was moved from Timeline of the far future for a reason. Now people are adding them back. But I can#t find the link to the article you made.
Also, for the record, all calendric predictions are astronomical, because all calendars are based on astronomy. Serendipodous 12:36, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
- Will confess to being confused. I have checked the article history all the way back to 2010 and I have never edited Timeline of the far future. Do you have the right person or is there another article that I changed? — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 12:44, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
- I am referring to your edit of List of future astronomical events, which was broken off from that article. Serendipodous 14:37, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
- My edit of 2025-05-14 ? A year is quite a while... — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 15:13, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
- All I want to know is where you put the information. You said you moved it to its own article. Serendipodous 18:23, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
- My edit of 2025-05-14 ? A year is quite a while... — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 15:13, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
- I am referring to your edit of List of future astronomical events, which was broken off from that article. Serendipodous 14:37, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
@GhostInTheMachine: Please let me know. Serendipodous 13:02, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
- My edit history is fully available. The history can be filtered by date to cover the time that concerns you — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 14:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
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Lifeboat Pages
I don't profess to be an expert with Wiki. I've learned by copying what was there already, and what looks presentable.
In the two+ years I have been creating articles, one thing has become clear. For every rule, there is a counter rule. What suits one set of circumstances doesn't always fit another. As per WP: Principle, Wiki Rules are principles, not laws.
I believe it is perfectly acceptable to maintain a style over an article, or over a set of articles.
Edit warring over style, or enforcing optional style in a bot-like fashion without prior consensus, is disruptive and is never acceptable.ab
Unjustified changes from one acceptable, consistently applied style in an article to a different style may generally be reverted. Seek opportunities for commonality to avoid disputes over style.
There are over 200 Lifeboat pages, all primarily of the same format. So it would be appreciated if you desist from any further amendments.
Martin Ojsyork (talk) 21:55, 18 March 2026 (UTC) Ojsyork (talk) 21:55, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
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CS1 error on Tichy-Haf Dam
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Thanks for Nile edit
Thanks for edit to Nile article ... you did something to a table (not sure what :-). Anyway: how odd that we both have the exact same Wiki age. Both 20 years, 1 month and 13 days today. What are the odds? I guess one out of 7,000 or so. Noleander (talk) 00:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
- GhostInTheMachine, is there a reason why you removed the column scopes? It allows screen readers to identify column headers. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 02:09, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
- Oh, was that one of the changes? My understanding is those scope cmds are required for accessibility purposes ... per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial#Scope_of_headers_(scope="col"_and_scope="row"). Noleander (talk) 03:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
- Technically, scope attributes are only necessary to resolve ambiguity. Where a TH cell is at the top row of a column, then that is unambiguous and so there is no need for the scope. If a column is topped by a TD cell, then scope would be advisable. I have added them back again, just to keep things simple — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 07:53, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks. Noleander (talk) 15:39, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
- Technically, scope attributes are only necessary to resolve ambiguity. Where a TH cell is at the top row of a column, then that is unambiguous and so there is no need for the scope. If a column is topped by a TD cell, then scope would be advisable. I have added them back again, just to keep things simple — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 07:53, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
- Oh, was that one of the changes? My understanding is those scope cmds are required for accessibility purposes ... per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial#Scope_of_headers_(scope="col"_and_scope="row"). Noleander (talk) 03:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Colleges affiliated to Bodoland University

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Estimated sign
Why do you seem so determined that the short description for Estimated sign should not show the actual sign? Whether it is for a search or an annotated link, it is the most critical item of information, the one that shows the reader that this is the relevant article. Wikipedia:Database reports/Short descriptions containing possibly invalid characters is to identify errors: this is not an error. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
- The symbol looks like an "e", quacks like an "e" and so will be seen as an "e". It is uninformative, redundant and actively misleading to include the Unicode symbol in the SD. Better to say "stylised e", since that is true. Also, nobody will search for the symbol by inputting the Unicode character — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 11:39, 1 April 2026 (UTC)
- No, is not any old e, it is a very specific symbol with statutory significance that must be drawn exactly as shown (it is not a representative glyph). Your logic would have £ as just another L, $ as just another S and € as just another E and the CE marking as just another digraph. That ℮ happens to have a unicode codepoint is entirely incidental. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:04, 1 April 2026 (UTC)
- And (a) it is entirely credible that someone would copy an ℮ and paste it into a search, to find out what it means and (b) [for what must be the thousandth time], SDs are not just for searches! 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:09, 1 April 2026 (UTC)
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Editor retention - river articles
Thanks for your edits & suggestions in List of rivers by discharge. FYI: the editor that re-built that list article is relatively new to Wikipedia. They are very passionate about rivers ... since they started working in WP about a year ago, I think 100% of their work has been on gathering cites & updating river statistics (length, discharge, etc). I cannot imagine how many hours they've invested. They are coming to the end of their work on List of rivers by discharge, I think, so I was exploring how to steer them over to List of rivers by length ... so they could apply their research in a 2nd list. I'm trying to give them ideas about different approaches, tools, and guidelines, so they learn more about WP. Regarding Editor Retention: If you could help encourage this editor, that would be great. If I make a dumb suggestion on the Talk page, of course you should point that out. But perhaps you can formulate comments in a way that makes the new editor feel more welcome? I believe that English is not their first language, and I know they are very new to WP guidelines etc. They may feel more welcome if they see comments like: "Let's explore ways to get your research into the Length list. Here are some options, with the pros and cons...". After all, we are competing against Grokipedia now, so every new WP editor is valuable :-) Noleander (talk) 17:50, 1 April 2026 (UTC)
Roman Reigns
At first I was annoyed that you had kept adding a short description to the "Public image of Roman Reigns" but it just clicked that there have been plenty of other Roman Reigns in history. My B FinnSoThin (talk) 20:57, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
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do you think we should add operators ? or is it..too much like ? only libyan army operate them Libyanmilitaryman (talk) 17:01, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- In this context, what is an "operator"? The end-user? Do you have sources that say who that would be? — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 18:42, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- not really problem IF any of the users were detected it is gonna be labelled a MNSVP minereva. some brigades DO operate it from pictures like the 111th brigade. Libyanmilitaryman (talk) 18:43, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
Video game characters
You may want to check out the SD's on all of the characters at Category: Genshin Impact characters and Category:Honkai: Star Rail characters. Personally I think they are fine as is, but given your recent edits at Phainon (Honkai: Star Rail) I thought you may want to take a look at them. Cheers! Gommeh (talk! sign!) 19:33, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks. I will add them to my TODO list — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 20:05, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
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Bug?
Is "Phabricator ticket T311277 was filed in 2022" not evidence of a bug? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:10, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
Erstwile
Erstwile: existing during the time. Do you think it's too old-fashioned? Francis Hannaway (talk) 13:01, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
- Perhaps a bit old-fashioned, but there is nothing wrong with old-fashioned as such. The more important question is: will this be clear to somebody with English as their second language? — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 18:38, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
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Re. recent revert
Hi, I'm really sorry to bother you and but I'm unsure of why you reverted the following dif
In regards to the [expert needed] template being removed from the multiple issues template, this was because the concerns listed on the talk page were raised at the same time that that was placed and, as this was remedied, it seemed appropriate to remove this however I now realise that that was also in reference to the 'excessive detail' which I apologise for but I still don't quite understand your reason for reverting the change to the short description. I typically don't touch short descriptions but it seemed appropriate to, considering the concerns raised Re. unclear/overlapping scope (see talk) to help further distinguish this from Nasal Administration. If you could please clarify, that would be really appreciated
thank you and kind regards TiredKitty 18:30, 25 April 2026 (UTC)
- The Short description
psychotropic drug administration through the nose
is not at all suitable. If you want to remove the {{Expert needed}} then go ahead — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 21:44, 25 April 2026 (UTC)- could you please explain how this is unsuitable because I do not understand ?
- perhaps if you could please state what the specific issue is or provide a suggestion on what could be done to make this suitable ?TiredKitty 22:47, 25 April 2026 (UTC)
- re Nose-to-brain drug delivery mechanism.
psychotropic drug administration through the nose
(49 characters) is unsuitable as:- it starts with a lc letter (see WP:SDFORMAT)
- at 49 characters it is getting too long (see WP:SDSHORT)
- it is inaccurate – the article is not specific to psychotropic drugs
- I do not claim that the current short description is perfect, but it does address each of the issues above — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 08:34, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- re Nose-to-brain drug delivery mechanism.
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Battles in 1814

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About Debian short description tag
I think "computer" in "Free computer operating system" is redundant. If you don't mind, I'll remove it. — Victor Matheus Amaral 15:50, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
DYK for Nancy Chitera
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Sincere Thank you :D
For the United States strikes on alleged drug traffickers during Operation Southern Spear, thank you for moving the video and not deleting it. I know you do not like these videos as much, and personally I do not mind them being left out of the infobox as long as they are included. Thank you for remembering and being so considerate. (: Historyguy1138 (talk) 13:07, 25 May 2026 (UTC)
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Changes to List of NAE members (electronics)
I noticed that you made a few changes to the List of members of the National Academy of Engineering (electronics) page in the last week or so, first moving the "Year Elected" column to the left side, and then most recently changing the "d." for death year into "Died" throughout the page. I'm not sure if you're aware, but this is one list of ~43 pages that comprise the lists of the members of the NAE and the NAS. I've been systematically updating all 43 pages with the ~10,000 names (living and deceased), pulling them from the online directories, checking and integrating with the existing Wikipedia information, etc. These pages were terribly out of date, and had a lot of incorrect information that had been added in an ad hoc manner over the years.
I believe that all 43 pages should have the same format, and I've been using the format that was set with the NAS pages, which dates back more than 12 years. This includes the "Year Elected" on the right and the indication of the death as "(d. ####)". I inadvertently overwrote your recent change of moving the "Year Elected" column because you moved it when I was in the process of updating that page with the new information between my first minor cleanup and then the full rebuild.
So, if you don't too strenuously object, I would like to revert your change of "d." -> "died" on this page, just so that all ~43 pages are a consistent format. But let me know what you think. LocusAndLeaf (talk) 12:11, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the thoughtful response. I see two (unrelated) aspects:
- Column ordering — The lists could be seen as either:
- "lists of people" (ordered by surname, so having the name in the first column) or
- "lists of elected people" (ordered by the year that they were elected, so having the year in the first column)
- The lists are currently #1 and I currently prefer #2 (chronological lists just make more sense to me). However, since the tables can be sorted, the choice is not very important.
- Died — MOS:DOB advises the use of the whole word rather than just d. – space would need to be very tight to require the saving of just two characters.
- Column ordering — The lists could be seen as either:
- To ensure consistency, I am willing to change "d." to "died" in all 43 of the articles.
- Of course, there is also an argument for not saying "d." or "died" at all – it should really include DOB as well:
M. Robert Aaron (1922–2007)
, but that is probably a step too far ... — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 11:15, 31 May 2026 (UTC)- On the column order, I think I would more strongly prefer to keep the name as the first column. These pages are "Lists of members...", not timelines of elections, and the primary entity in each row is the person. The election year is essentially a secondary attribute, and as you say, it is already an easily sortable table.
- On d. vs died, I see your point about MOS. My reading is that “d.” is permitted where space is limited. I was more focused on consistency, and since d. was used historically in these tables, I had kept it that way when updating them. I am fine with either, but generally I had preferred the compactness of "d." over "died" since there are some longer names and institution names that make the table wide.
- I'm not in favor of adding the date of birth, as that is more biographic than membership-relevant information, and it's not information supplied by the NAS/NAE directories, so there would be loads of incomplete entries.
- Thanks for fixing the short descriptions (I saw that adding those had created redundancy at the top), and for the discussion. LocusAndLeaf (talk) 14:17, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
Y
— GhostInTheMachine talk to me 16:32, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
@LocusAndLeaf: An aside: should the articles be named with an upper case suffix or a lower case one? List of members of the National Academy of Engineering (aerospace) vs List of members of the National Academy of Engineering (Bioengineering). There seems to be a fairly even split... — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 13:01, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
- If it were up to me, I would have them all capitalized, because those are the titles of the NAS and NAE sections. But, there was a discussion about this (somewhat buried) in the talk page for the NAE Aerospace page before I came onto the scene as an editor. An editor decided that these were common descriptive titles and not proper nouns, and there was one supporting vote, so proceeded to change all of them to lowercase. Perhaps they missed a few, like Bioengineering - and I am in favor of consistency, even if lowercase was not my preference, so I would vote in favor of switching to lowercase; it seemed like the time to debate upper vs lower had passed. LocusAndLeaf (talk) 14:18, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
- I also thought that UC was better ... Done them all anyway — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 14:39, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks. This reminded me that another change that I was considering was adding the official section number in the header at the top of each table, because the section numbers are designated by NAS and NAE, but are not currently in these tables or even clearly described in the main articles about the NAS and NAE. It would look something like:
- == Section 1: Aerospace ==
- and so forth for all the pages. This might reduce the redundancy of the table header with the page header. I haven't gotten around to this, obviously, but let me know if you think that's a good idea, bad idea, or are indifferent. LocusAndLeaf (talk) 15:43, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
- No-ish. When reading an article, the numbers would have no significance. The article should not aim to reproduce all aspects of the source — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 08:24, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
- Okay; it sounds like the main article on the NAE would be a better place to describe the organization into sections, perhaps with a table listing the 12 sections in the membership section. The NAS has a separate page on membership and a section describing the major disciplines, but nothing on the 31 named sections within those disciplines (which is how the lists of members are organized). So maybe a table there would be appropriate? LocusAndLeaf (talk) 13:40, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
- Just a note that I made these two changes, adding brief tables to each page to list the formal sections and classes (for NAS). LocusAndLeaf (talk) 15:47, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
- Okay; it sounds like the main article on the NAE would be a better place to describe the organization into sections, perhaps with a table listing the 12 sections in the membership section. The NAS has a separate page on membership and a section describing the major disciplines, but nothing on the 31 named sections within those disciplines (which is how the lists of members are organized). So maybe a table there would be appropriate? LocusAndLeaf (talk) 13:40, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
- No-ish. When reading an article, the numbers would have no significance. The article should not aim to reproduce all aspects of the source — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 08:24, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
- I also thought that UC was better ... Done them all anyway — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 14:39, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
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Hi! I saw you recently updated the list of National Academy pages with died instead of 'd.' As I'm one of the main people (somewhat sporadically) updating those pages, I just wanted to say thank you for updating all of the pages and not just one, and ask for your thoughts behind using 'd.' when space is limited versus writing out 'died' in the tables? I'm fine with either option, as it was an arbitrary decision I made in the first place. I'm just curious on if there's a guideline beyond 'when space is limited' or anything beyond what's listed in MS:DDOT. Thanks! Cyanochic (talk) 16:45, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
- Geniologists often use
d.
or †, but WP has to assume a very general readership and so we should avoid abbreviations - especially where they are not explained. The wordsborn
anddied
are also only four letters, so a two character abbreviation saves very little space and is hard to justify — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 09:32, 5 June 2026 (UTC)- Thank you! Makes plenty of sense to me. I'll make sure to keep with the new formatting. Cyanochic (talk) 17:35, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
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Hi GhostInTheMachine. Thank you for your work on Bag of holding. Another editor, Mariamnei, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:
Thank you for your work on this article. Please establish notability as per WP:GNG. Thanks and have a wonderful day!
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Mariamnei ✦ reach out 🕊️ 10:15, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- @Mariamnei: That was somewhat aggressive ... — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 10:31, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- @GhostInTheMachine - Sorry I missed this. I read through my comments again and I do not see anything aggressive, but I apologise if something came off too strongly. Have a good day! Mariamnei ✦ reach out 🕊️ 07:26, 9 July 2026 (UTC)
- @Mariamnei: It was a combination of things... I had edited the page to restore an older version that had content. An hour later, I started editing the article. While I was working on my next change, you reversed everything. This was just 101 seconds after my last edit. My talk page then received a post that said "Please establish notability". I had thought that I was working towards that. The post ended with "... have a wonderful day!". So: a very fast eradication of my work in progress, followed by a rather odd comment to "have a wonderful day!". I suspect we also have a cultural issue with jolly injunctions followed by a trailing exclamation mark. To the English, the American style of terminating comments with an exclamation mark often comes over rather poorly. In this case it compounded the effect:
Hey! I just did something negative to you, but I need you to suck it up...
. Now I really do assume that you did not mean it that way at all and that was just me overreacting, but I did feel rather "aggressed". Hence my 25 June response. Sorry for the essay, but I do feel that we need to understand each other. I really am fully aware that American is not just a poor form of English with missing prepositions and wrong spelling, but is instead a separate language with a separate culture, but it is sometimes difficult to keep that in mind in the heat of the moment. — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 07:55, 13 July 2026 (UTC)- I apologise if you took my comments as harsh; that was not my intention. I simply asked you to establish notability as per GNG. I do not see that I reverted anything you had done. I very often end comments wishing the editor a good day, especially in reviews.
- I am originally Italian. While my English spelling is generally British, my cultural references my be something that you are not familiar. Anyway, I am glad that we appear to have resolved this. Mariamnei ✦ reach out 🕊️ 10:11, 13 July 2026 (UTC)
- @Mariamnei: It was a combination of things... I had edited the page to restore an older version that had content. An hour later, I started editing the article. While I was working on my next change, you reversed everything. This was just 101 seconds after my last edit. My talk page then received a post that said "Please establish notability". I had thought that I was working towards that. The post ended with "... have a wonderful day!". So: a very fast eradication of my work in progress, followed by a rather odd comment to "have a wonderful day!". I suspect we also have a cultural issue with jolly injunctions followed by a trailing exclamation mark. To the English, the American style of terminating comments with an exclamation mark often comes over rather poorly. In this case it compounded the effect:
- @GhostInTheMachine - Sorry I missed this. I read through my comments again and I do not see anything aggressive, but I apologise if something came off too strongly. Have a good day! Mariamnei ✦ reach out 🕊️ 07:26, 9 July 2026 (UTC)
Galleries in "Meso position (tetrapyrrole)" and "Seco (tetrapyrrole)"
Dear GhostInTheMachine, Thanks for trying to improve my new articles "seco" and "meso". However, as a chemist (specialized in chemical information retrieval/chemoinformatics), I have some comments and reservations concerning your efforts:
The term "meso" has quite different meanings in chemistry, even within the narrow field of "tetrapyrroles" (see Footnote in "meso"). The description I gave is the chemically exact definition; if that is considered too long or too specific for a SHORT DESCRIPTION, the version "bridging positions between pyrrole rings" I now changed it to should be OK; "Bridges linking rings in organic compounds" is not appropriate here, far too general, and meaningless regarding this very specific case.
I can imagine that the gallery feature in Wikipedia is useful for articles that contain a lot of figures relative to the size of the text, as is indeed the case for "seco" (but IMHO not so for "meso"). So far, I have not encountered galleries for chemical reaction schemes in Wikipedia, and not used them myself. There are IMHO several reasons for this: First, a gallery displays pictures, standing for themselves - but the formulas in "meso" and "seco" are closely related to the text; collecting formulas at the end of text in galleries will NOT foster understanding. The gallery with figs. 3 & 4 must therefore be placed between the two paragraphs explaining them.
Second, Galleries are great for fotos, where a "one height/width fits all" works, but chemical formulas and even more so chemical reaction schemes are too diverse to be presented that way in most cases. Figs. 3 & 4 in "seco" are OK in your gallery, an exception to the above "rule", because they group schemes with chemical structures of the same type and size. However, unless you - based on your long-term experience - tell me how to size gallery items individually (within limits at least), the other galleries just won't fit.
Chemists have a close esthetic relation to formulas, the unique language of their field, influencing perception. In this respect, lumping together figs. 1 and 2 in "meso" doesn't look proper, fig. 1 being far too "big". I reverted it to a separate display, but with fig. 1 at left.
Figs. 1 & 2 in "seco" look now really terrible due to the very different sizes of the COMMON pentacyclic pyrrole rings - this MUST NOT be left that way, as it will reflect negatively on the quality of the article as a whole for readers interested in chemistry, used to proper formulas in Wikipedia and elsewhere. I would rather eliminate both figs. 1 & 2, or at least fig. 2 in "seco" than keep them that way - but this would be against my major intention to illustrate the rather abstract term "seco" with important examples! Refering just to the literature instead of using fig. 2 would not do: both refs are NOT Open Access (i.e. not generally accessible). The only acceptable alternative to show them "gallery-like", but in the same size (as changed by me now) would be to combine them in ONE scheme, joining the captions under the heading "Seco-tetrapyrroles as products of biological and chemical degradation". Let me know if this would be preferable.
Best regards Easyloc (talk) 05:41, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- I do not pretend to understand the chemistry, but thanks for the post re my edits to Meso position (tetrapyrrole) and Seco (tetrapyrrole).
- Your SD changes seem fine. Short is good.
- Meso: Starting an article with an image on the left is truly evil, so I have moved the two images so that they both sit to the right side of the text that discusses them. Strictly speaking, the second image is too big. See MOS:IMAGESIZE
- Seco: Galleries are indeed designed to offer a row of images displayed at the same height (but possibly different widths). I changed the image placement to reflect the effect you probably wanted, with the two images side-by-side.
- All OK enough? — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 14:37, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- OK INDEED! Thank you very much for your help.
- I followed up your remark on image size in "meso", resizing fig 2 from 460 to 400px, center-ing it after the related paragraph, and resized fig 1 from 264 to 220 to keep both "in size". Easyloc (talk) 14:13, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
Y ... All seems well — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 14:48, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
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Just FYI, you reverted the wrong edit/editor. I've fixed it though. 10mmsocket (talk) 07:29, 14 July 2026 (UTC)
- Oops. Sorry about that, maybe just an ec — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 07:32, 14 July 2026 (UTC)
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I'm bit curious why you're keep adding an unnecessary short description even though I already explained {{Infobox album}} automatically generates the articles' short description. Unless a reasonable explanation is provided, the short description will be removed. Camilasdandelions (✉️) 14:38, 21 July 2026 (UTC)
- The SD seems fine now. We got there in the end. Infoboxen generally provide a default SD, and these are often overidden by "hand-crafted" versions — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 14:42, 21 July 2026 (UTC)
- I didn't get it, what's the merit of adopting short description template although the infoboxes automatically generate it? Camilasdandelions (✉️) 08:56, 22 July 2026 (UTC)
- It is common for an infobox to set a default SD. This default SD would generally not be "wrong". However, a human-crafted SD can often be better than the default, so it is then appropriate to add an explicit SD in a template placed at the top of the article. The infobox SD will have
{{{noreplace}}}set so that the preceding explicit SD is not overridden by the subsequent default SD from the infobox — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 10:21, 22 July 2026 (UTC) - Picking an article from your recent edits — Kelsea Ballerini. In this case, the infobox created a default SD of
Musical artist
. The Infobox musical artist template always proposes this SD. Not actually wrong, just rather uninformative. In theory, the infobox could be coded to generate something better. The infobox should include a birth date, so (in the absence of a death date) could generateMusical artist (born 1993)
. The infobox should also have the birth place, so (given a table of country name synonyms and a large table of standard demonyms) could generateAmerican musical artist (born 1993)
. The infobox often includes a genre. Unfortunately,American Country pop musical artist (born 1993)
is not so good. With extra code to manage the change of case and to pick the first item from a list, it might generateAmerican country musical artist (born 1993)
. Using the occupation data as well, it might generateAmerican country Singer, songwriter, musician (born 1993)
or with suitable extra code, perhaps the existing SD —American country singer (born 1993)
. Quite possible, but rather troublesome and prone to failure if the infobox data is not set or does not match expected formats. This does explain why this infobox currently opts out of the whole task and always proposes a fixed default SD ofMusical artist
. It is not actually wrong and will be just tolerable until a human comes along to provides a better SD — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 11:45, 22 July 2026 (UTC)- Thanks for the explanation. Is there any way to check the article's "default SD"? Camilasdandelions (✉️) 12:22, 22 July 2026 (UTC)
- The simplest way is to add my SD-display-helper user script. I have just updated the documentation for you
— GhostInTheMachine talk to me 13:43, 22 July 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your kindness :)!! Camilasdandelions (✉️) 15:38, 22 July 2026 (UTC)
- The simplest way is to add my SD-display-helper user script. I have just updated the documentation for you
- Thanks for the explanation. Is there any way to check the article's "default SD"? Camilasdandelions (✉️) 12:22, 22 July 2026 (UTC)
- It is common for an infobox to set a default SD. This default SD would generally not be "wrong". However, a human-crafted SD can often be better than the default, so it is then appropriate to add an explicit SD in a template placed at the top of the article. The infobox SD will have
- I didn't get it, what's the merit of adopting short description template although the infoboxes automatically generate it? Camilasdandelions (✉️) 08:56, 22 July 2026 (UTC)
What cleanup was done at 2027 Indian Premier League?
I'm curious what your goal was at this "cleanup" edit, which did not appear to change the rendered output of the page. What am I missing? (In contrast, this edit was genuinely helpful gnoming.) – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:06, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- I generally work through the articles in Category:Articles using draft categories, checking for a whole bag of things (lc headings, mixed date formats, ndash in year ranges anything else that I see in passing). I also use AutoEd to clean up the formatting (malformed lists are common) before sorting out the draft cats. Generally AutoEd fixes gets rolled in with the other misc gnoming, just not this time. I was probably distracted by the cats. Cats are like that...
— GhostInTheMachine talk to me 16:04, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response. I do cat work as well, at Wikipedia:Database reports/Uncategorized templates, and I know how distracting it can be when I come to a new template for that reason and find that it has all sorts of other problems. Sometimes I forget to address the original issue. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:47, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
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