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As someone who commented in the relevant RFC and has an interest in improving coverage of obscure little villages (when they turn out to actually be villages), is there some big list of which regions of the world have been checked so far and which remain to be checked with regards to potentially dubious "populated place" entries? Is there a list of users who have been doing significant work in this area or centralised discussion hub? I will add that the Welsh "village" substub creations of Wici Rhuthun 1 need to be gone over if you all aren't already aware of it. Thanks, Passengerpigeon (talk) 01:43, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As far as know, there is not. There are several US states which have been done at least once: Arizona, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, N and S Dakota. We never finished California; there are other states which were partly done. As far as whole nations, maybe Iran? I know we never finished Somalia. At the moment I'm the only who appears to be working systematically (on Indiana); I can think of four other people who have done some systematic work. Mangoe (talk) 22:06, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:VPP § RfC - The inclusion of destination lists in Airport articles. Danners430 _{tweaks made} 20:02, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Since the previous discussion, because of my poor judgement at grouping together unrelated sources, was a mess and was archived with no outcome, I've started a fresh, targeted, discussion about FR24. Pinging you because you were in the old discussion :-) Danners430 _{tweaks made} 14:38, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, things are getting a little silly and I’d appreciate a second pair of eyes…

Any chance you could take a look at the edit history of Springfield–Branson National Airport and the talk page of the other editor where the edits are being discussed? Ta! Danners430 _{tweaks made} 16:36, 27 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi FOARP. Thank you for your work on Mr. Stress. Another editor, 11WB, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

I fixed a cite error, article is fine otherwise.

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11WB (talk) 12:23, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @11WB! FOARP (talk) 13:49, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! I didn't see that this was one of your articles @FOARP! I wouldn't have left feedback otherwise, as I have a personal rule not to advise administrators. Have you considered applying for or self-assigning the Autopatrolled permission to your account yet? 11WB (talk) 13:52, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I like having other eyes on my articles because they're far from perfect. If you think it's a drag on reviewers I can add it though. FOARP (talk) 13:54, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The new pages feed doesn't show any other articles waiting to be reviewed, so that's completely up to you! You pass the 25 article minimum criteria and you have 2 GAs. Recent articles look fine! If I were able to assign the permission, I would have no issue with applying it! AP is pretty safe anyway, as it gives the ability to unreview, so that a reviewer can then take a look! 11WB (talk) 13:58, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

TBH I thought I already had autopatrolled. But yeah, sure, if it's going to be an issue. FOARP (talk) 15:01, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

I'm leaving this message because you contributed to the recent RfC regarding the inclusion of airport destination lists. As promised, now that that RfC has closed, I've initiated a further discussion about the sourcing standards to be applied to these lists.

If you wish to contribute to the discussion, please do so at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Airport destination lists - sourcing requirements.

Cheers! Danners430 _{tweaks made} 15:16, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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AFAIK, you based your evidence in ARBPIA 5 totally on User:BilledMammal/ARBPIA RM statistics. (Did you note any diffs in your evidence that weren't given in BM's table? Did you check that AndreJustAndre never voted?) I have outlined some of the problems in using BM's material here: User_talk:Guerillero#As_requested, cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:56, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

No, I collected it myself, not using BM's statistics - I hadn't even seen his submissions when I entered my evidence and still have not actually read them in detail so I have no idea whether I did or did not include any diffs that he did not: but since you are the one raising this unfounded accusation, maybe you should actually check? Or indeed should have checked before making these accusations?

I had noticed the "Massacre"/"Not Massacre" issue long before, whilst closing RMs.

Asilvering hasn't allowed me to respond to you accusations in the discussion, so perhaps, in fairness, you should just strike your original accusation? FOARP (talk) 22:03, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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Read wp:npa accusing a user of saying something they have not said is not acceptable. Slatersteven (talk) 13:54, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what you are referring to. Please explain. FOARP (talk) 13:57, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You have accused me of refusing to allow any change in an article (including punctuation, grammer and spelling) in an article that has had 7 (unchallenged) changes this month (alone). Slatersteven (talk) 14:31, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

This is also not something I have said, shall we swap templates and call it quits? FOARP (talk) 14:33, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

[[1]] and [[2]] and [[3]] all replied to me, so if you were not talking about my edits (the edits you were objecting to) who were you talking about? Slatersteven (talk) 14:39, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Since I said you weren't a partisan Steve, it's pretty obvious I wasn't referring to you.

I feel this response is part and parcel of the rigid mind-set we discussed previously. However, if you would genuinely like me to state that you do permit edits for "punctuation, grammer, and spelling" I am happy to say that. FOARP (talk) 14:46, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Then why reply to me with it, if it's not about me or anything I said it has no relevance to our discussion. We were not discusing ridged mind sets, were discussing my rejection of your edits. Can you really not see how that looks? Slatersteven (talk) 14:50, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Well then let me allay any suspicion or doubt - you do indeed permit edits for "punctuation, grammer, and spelling". I'm sorry if anyone was ever placed under the misimpression that anyone ever thought otherwise. FOARP (talk) 14:55, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

and having a ridged mind set? Slatersteven (talk) 14:58, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I think only you can answer whether you think that is a fair or unfair appreciation of your editing. If you would really like me to list the discussions this is based on I can do that, but I don't want to engage in what might be an overly-personal discussion for you unless you want me to. FOARP (talk) 15:12, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

NPA is clear, and saying "AHH but I did not say YOU" is not a get out, either make an accusation or stop insinuating, my last word, it is now a warning, Slatersteven (talk) 15:27, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Steve, to say that RUSUKR is an area with dug-in partisans is hardly a controversial statement - it's the entire reason why it is a CTOP - nor is it "insinuating" anything to say so.

I recommend opening an ANI discussion because I cannot for the life of me work out what it is you are actually asking for at this point. I gave you the statement you appeared to be asking for - that you did actually allow edits for punctuation grammer and spelling - but that was not enough. Perhaps you will get whatever it is there? FOARP (talk) 15:36, 25 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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Perhaps you might consider whether this edit [4] was appropriate. You might also consider whether details therein were accurate, either by error or omission. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:23, 3 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Considered. Is. FOARP (talk) 06:09, 3 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:21, 4 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I replied at Wikipedia:Request a query#Unimproved Iranian "village" articles and should probably have pinged you. I'm an inclusionist but it does seem that Wikipedia could survive without a page on each rural house in Iran, Russia and elsewhere. I can list Russian cases if it's helpful. Thanks for all the good work, Certes (talk) 19:41, 11 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, I'll try to work on this this weekend. FOARP (talk) 11:44, 12 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi FORAP -

I noticed that when you closed a string of adabi AfDs a few weeks ago, you just delinked them from some of the lists instead of deleting entirely (example). I've come across a few other admins with the same issue, it seems to either be a problem with XFDCloser not recognizing certain types of list entries of a matter of clicking the "remove" instead of "unlink" button. As a non-admin I can't offer much more insight than that, but hopefully there's an easy solution. I did fix all of the ones that I found. Thanks! –dlthewave ☎ 20:08, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I am sick to death of arguing about the damnable guidelines. Necrothesp's bald-faced denial of the problem is pretty much the nail in the coffin of me bothering to interact with them. It's just eating up my time and really making me want to give up on the whole effort. So GEOLAND is about to go off my watchlist. Sorry to abandon you but it's too much of a time sink producing nothing but frustration.

A proud deletionist, Mangoe (talk) 01:33, 26 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I know. This present round of this discussion has now been ongoing since October last year. Frankly I dip in and out of the discussion to avoid becoming frustrated by it, and don't watchlist any talk page for the same reason.

But I think people are aware that the present situation just isn't tolerable. There's zero pushback for eliminating CS46's nonsensical "village" articles, for example.

I know once the RFC goes live some people are going to, "more in sorrow than in anger", find that they just can't support it because of some wording issues or whatever, even though they would really like to be able to, honest. But the fact that they had to at least seem like they were going along with things does at least mean we shouldn't get too many "'Bad RFC - no BEFORERFC was done" votes or attempts to derail the whole thing by putting a moratorium on even discussing the issue at all.

Yes, stating that the guideline hasn't led to the creation of thousands of pointless articles is just deluded, but they are not the audience we need to convince anyway. FOARP (talk) 09:16, 26 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Well, trying to convince the uninvolved has generally run up against ignorance of the history of dealing with the consequences of the current text, and it seems to me that the usual response is to say that we're exaggerating how bad things are and other DIDNTHEARTHAT replies. Mangoe (talk) 17:45, 28 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If you can suggest what data can help prove the issue I can provide it. BilledMammal (talk) 02:00, 29 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

1) How many of Carlossuarez46’s articles have been deleted. I know the number is somewhere around 15-20k but it would be great to know for sure.

2) How many articles are cited to GNS only.

3) How many to GNS and a census only. Could be the Iranian census if we need to identify one. FOARP (talk) 06:51, 29 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I would add to this also articles sourced indirectly to GNS indirectly through some other source that gets its data from there.

I know Maplandia is one, and there are currently ~4000 articles that use it as a source, there are probably others. Giulio 08:59, 29 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

IIRC the Somali articles were all cited to Geonames, which is a GNS mirror. Mangoe (talk) 17:45, 29 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Articles cited to GNS or mirrors only. There are 3625, but I think there should be more - could there be some common mirrors I am missing? BilledMammal (talk) 05:41, 1 July 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Articles cited to the Polish census and GNS only. There are 309, but again I think there should be more - we have 60,000 town and village articles using this as a source. Regarding how many articles have been deleted, it's hard to get data on deleted articles, but I'll see what I can do. BilledMammal (talk) 05:52, 1 July 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Partially fixed, now 4054 and 322. I missed jstor in the one source template.

I still think I'm missing something though, I'll keep looking. BilledMammal (talk) 06:04, 1 July 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I've also seen tageo, google maps, geonames and places-in-the-world which I suspect also get a lot of data from GNS. See for example Abanayop and Lombong Giulio 09:10, 1 July 2026 (UTC)[reply]

...and now we have the "post offices imply there's a town" argument again, because people weigh in without any experience with the stuff. That's the biggest issue: when we started out, it seemed these national listings had to be reliable, and now that we've learned all the reasons why they have greater or lesser inaccuracies, getting people to acknowledge that those of us who've been dealing with them have learned a great deal that outsiders do not yet know is an endless process. A lot of the proof simply is in the process: we've put up probably a few thousand GNIS-based articles so far, and the deletion rate on these is quite high, and probably a lot of the redirect outcomes wouldn't survive a challenge at RfD. We had to resort to extreme measures to deal with Kotbot and the abadis because they were beyond what individual review processes could handle. By contrast deletion discussions of historic places are relatively rare, and are usually parish churches or embassies without anything to back up their noteworthiness. This strongly suggests that the historic listing guideline is OK and that the town/settlement guideline is not. Mangoe (talk) 18:01, 29 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

On a related issue, articles like Ascandiandalis. Natural History (Pliny) is not a reliable source, and CS46 was so careless in the creation of this article that they managed to copy the name wrong - it's actually Ascandalis. See Quarry:query/106878. BilledMammal (talk) 06:15, 1 July 2026 (UTC)[reply]

(The notification to the editor who created the article showed up on my watchlist, cause I AfD'd or PROD'd an article of theirs before)

I looked up the town and found this: https://www.mindat.org/feature-23691.html

I don't know if that adds to notability, or gives clues where more sources may be found, which is why I haven't removed the PROD template. You seem to do a lot of GEO stuff, so I leave it up to you. TurboSuperA+_[talk] 14:41, 29 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

mindat is not a reliable source, since it simply mirrors GEOnet Names Server data. FOARP (talk) 14:46, 29 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Good to know. Thanks. TurboSuperA+_[talk] 14:56, 29 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]